Why You Feel Disconnected in Your Business (Even When It Looks Successful)

You can look successful on paper and still feel disconnected in your business.

In this episode of The Unapologetic Pinner, Dana is joined by Debbie Heiser to explore what’s really happening beneath that tension. This conversation goes beyond marketing strategy and into something most business owner's skip: alignment.

Because when you don’t feel clear on who you are, it shows up everywhere in your messaging, your visibility, your decision-making, and ultimately, your results.

This is a grounded conversation about identity, clarity, and why confidence is often a byproduct, not the starting point.

What We Talk About

•  Why you can feel successful but still disconnected in your business 
•  How misalignment shows up in your messaging and visibility 
•  The role of identity and subconscious beliefs in business decisions 
•  Why overconsuming information (and relying on AI) can signal lack of clarity 
•  How community and environment influence your growth 
•  The connection between clarity, confidence, and consistent visibility 
•  Why alignment—not more content—is the real starting point 

Key Insight

Confidence isn’t what creates clarity. Clarity is what creates confidence.

Standout Moments from This Episode

•  “Nothing feels worse than trying to be visible in something that doesn’t align with who you are.” 
•  “When your message shifts, your positioning shifts—and people don’t know where to place you.” 
•  “You’re not lacking strategy—you’re lacking alignment.” 
•  “You don’t need more content. You need clarity.” 

Reflection Question

If everything in your business was stripped away—titles, roles, expectations—who are you actually building from?

About the Guest

Debbie Heiser is the founder of The Lit Up Life, where she helps entrepreneurs build businesses that generate income without sacrificing what matters most. Her work focuses on identity, alignment, and helping people reconnect with who they are so they can lead and grow from a place of clarity.

Connect with Debbie

Website: https://thelituplife.com/

Podcast: The Lit Up Life

Mentioned in This Episode

VEIL Visibility Audit
A clarity-first evaluation that reveals what your marketing is signaling and where misalignment may be holding you back.

Keywords (SEO + AEO)

why business feels disconnected, alignment in business, clarity in marketing, mindset for entrepreneurs, visibility strategy for wedding professionals, personal branding clarity, why marketing isn’t working

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Welcome to the Unapologetic Pinner. I'm your host, Dana, here to help wedding professionals and creative business owners like you elevate your organic marketing strategy with Pinterest. Each week we'll dive into practical tips and fresh insights to keep your pens engaging and your business growing. So grab your coffee, tea, or any other beverage of choice, and let's get started. Today's conversation is going to feel a little bit different. I know I talk a lot about visibility and strategy and growth on this podcast, but underneath all of that is something we don't really name enough, and that's alignment. Because the way you show up in your business is a reflection of how you see yourself. So I'm excited for the conversation we're going to have today because I don't have guests on often, but I think this work speaks directly to that deeper layer most people skip over. So before we get into the rest of the conversation, I would love for you to introduce yourself, Debbie, in your own words, what you do and who you really help.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

Yeah, thank you, Dana. I'm so excited to be here. And I know that you don't have a lot of people on, so I'm very honored with that. And yeah, so what I really do is what I say I do is I help entrepreneurs make a lot of money doing what they love to do without sacrificing what's important to them. And the biggest step that I do, and the name of my business is called the Lit Up Life because I feel like life is too short not to be lit up, not to be having a good time. And so the biggest piece that I work with people on, both men and women, most of them are women, is who are we? Because in order to be aligned, we have to understand who we are, and we have to understand what our values are, we have to understand what we really want out of life. And so many times, particularly as women, we put all these hats on the we're mother, we're sister, we're wife, we're partner, all of these different things, and we lose the sense of who we are. And so that's really important in order to align, um, and frankly, to be visible. You know, nothing feels worse than to try to be visible with something that doesn't align with who you are, and then it feels like truly that imposter syndrome, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

I think it's really about that was something that I went through. Yeah. That no one really properly prepares you for. Is once I got married and had kids, I no longer really had a name. I was Logan's mom or Mr. Johnson's wife, or because he was a teacher. And so that's all his students called me was Mr. Johnson's wife. So I understand that completely. And I am only now in full transparency leading into 2026 of learning to healthily own the space I'm in and really figure out not like who I am, but like what do I actually like to do? And like how can I bring that into my business and serve my clients from that lens that it doesn't feel like work, so I can do it all day long. I don't recommend doing it all day long, but I could because I enjoy it that much because it's built or framed around who I am as a person and not me trying to fit the mold of something else because oh, this is the trending service, and that's not what I do. So that's where like real clarity starts to dive into it. So for someone listening who feels successful on paper but slightly disconnected in their business, how would you describe what's actually happening?

SPEAKER_00 3:39

Yeah, oh, that's a loaded question, meaning there's a lot of answers to that one, Dana. Um, so there's a lot that's happening, but I will tell you, I've done a lot of work in neuroscience. And what happens, and I'll just break it down very simply, is a few key things. So if you think about your brain as a circle, part of what's happening is we have a conscious brain where we can choose to deflect messages, we can choose to say, yeah, I agree with that, or we can also create and innovate. Now, what happens though is we have the subconscious brain that ultimately can only deflect messages, right? So even the messages that our conscious brain says, no, we don't agree with, come into our subconscious, and that subconscious brain creates a belief that is part of our identity, right? So the identity is a belief and emotion tied together, and that creates the actions that we do and creates habits. So what happens a lot of times is that people lose the sense of who they are, they start to create beliefs and have beliefs about themselves that they've acquired through time, things that happened when we were a kid that create fear, and fear is nothing more than false evidence appearing real, right? So we create those messages, and so that brain science is part of then what holds us back, part of where we're not in alignment, so we don't step in or we don't really know who we are because we're we're swimming in all of that. Now, the other piece to that question that you had, that whole messaging is the biggest piece because what happens is then we start to build things or do things the way we think we should be doing them. We might have some messages about so why people feel like they're disconnected is when we think about the messages that we receive. Many of us receive messages that say we can't be successful. If we're successful, we're gonna die. If we're successful, then we're doing things different than our parents did them. And so our brain says we're making them wrong. So I call those double binds and loyalty packs. We get these messages. I'll give you an example. My mom passed away at the age of 58 of breast cancer, and she swore it was because of the non-bioidentical hormones that she took and the stress of owning her own business. So for yes, exactly, Dina. So it took me a long time to step fully into my business, right? I spent 20 years in corporate America as an executive. I spent, you know, another eight or nine years as a CFO to a small business before I fully stepped into this full time. So it took a coach helping me see that I was afraid literally that I was gonna die if I owned my own business, because that was my mom's story. And if I did do this and became successful and didn't get breast cancer, I was making her wrong, right? Like that's how the brain works in these like weird, mysterious ways. So I had to break through that, but then I also had to uncover that I learned. I come from the Midwest, I learned that security was really important, right? Go get a W-2 job. Now there's nothing wrong with it. Corporate treated me very well, but go get a W-2 job. And so when I wanted to step in full-time and quit my job as a CFO, I really wanted to own my own business, but I wanted security more.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Yes. I will say that was a big struggle for me because when I started my business as a side hustle, I was a single mom of three. So I very much relied on the security of every two weeks. I know this amount of money is going to show up in my bank account. No matter what happens, unless I lose my job. There will be money. I can plan my budget accordingly. There are no ups and downs. It was a steady income. Right. And that has been a very, I don't want to say difficult in the negative sense, but that was something I really had to internally work on to take that leap into owning this business that it is today. Um that probably will resonate the most.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

Yeah. And I could say, you know, most people, particularly, you know, they have a message that they're going to be a terrible mom if they go into business, right? That they're going to spend all this time on their business and not be able to spend time with their family. Like there's so many messages that we're given throughout our life that are just really not true. And so it's about uncovering some of that. So the brain science is a big piece of it. The other piece is we really have these four people that are in our head that speak to us all the time, right? We have the little girls in us that that's all about creativity and feeling emotions. We have the adolescent, and I'm I'm kind of just skimming the surface because these are three like main points that I work with people on the brain science, this transactional analysis. So you have an adolescent in your head. The adolescent creates resilience. They're the ones that have like that fight in them to go do the thing, but they're also the one that justifies all the time, and they're the rebel without a cause, like if you think about teenagers, right? Then you have the critical parent, and that critical parent's job is to keep you safe. But many times that critical parent, when I hear people say I'm I'm my own worst critic, I know that they spend a lot of time in that critical parent role and they're criticizing and being really hard on themselves. And then we have the mature adult. So when we can look at all three of those, and I'm just I'm not gonna go into the depth of that. So what happens is we fit into these roles of that, and then we start to shit on ourselves, right? Where everybody says we should be doing this. So the disalignment, I have a client that went through that right now, right? She was retiring, she was one of the first colonels in the Air Force here in um Spokane, and she retired, and so she thought she should go out and do this thing. Well, we've been working through it, and she's realizing really what she wants is something completely different. But you think about even the original Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory movie, the little girl that said what she wanted, how was she depicted? Do you remember? It's an older movie, so like she came on and golden egg, right? I want, I want, I want, and I'm the snot, and I'm entitled, and I but see, like that's a message that we receive that if we say what we want and we're not grateful for what we already have, then we're a snot. And that's how insidious this is, because it gets into your subconscious brain and it stops you. So that disalignment within your business sometimes comes from those messages and that critical parent that's trying to keep us safe. The last piece that I work with people a lot on is this I use a lot of universal law too. So the universal law of sacrifice is somewhat into play here. But if you think about yourself as a base, we have an unending supply, whatever somebody's belief system is, whether that be God, Buddha, divine, whatever universe, we have this unending supply of energy that's coming into our body because energy never dies, right? It just is. So we have all this energy, but what we end up doing is we say yes to things we don't want to say yes to because of the critical parent telling us we should be doing these things. Oh, can you be the president of the PTA or oh, we need a like room mother to do this thing, right? And we start to pour out our energy and we cut off our supply of energy. So then we start doing things out of resentment. We have a business and we're doing the thing that we think we should be doing, and we start to resent it because we're pouring out into it versus standing tall and knowing what we're available for and what we're not available for. So, as women, if somebody says to me, Hey, can you be the PTA president? We tend to come in and say, No, I'm so sorry, I've got a lot of travel on my schedule. Like we turn into the adolescent and we justify why we can't take on the role versus saying, you know what, Dana, thank you so much for asking, but it just doesn't work for me right now.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

And leave it at that. Yeah. I think that's an excellent example of how misalignment actually shows up in the way that we communicate and make decisions. And I can see this within my own cli, like one, my personal life, but also within my clients, that connection, the way you communicate is through those perceptions, I guess is what I'm trying to get at. And so if your message shifts, your positioning shifts, the platform or you know, your community, your network doesn't know where to put you or how to like include you or incorporate you. So would you say that alignment is less about confidence and more about just being clear on who you are and what phase of you're in?

SPEAKER_00 12:28

Yeah, I think confidence actually is a byproduct of clarity. Okay. Right. Because when you're clear, then you have more confidence and you can say, you know what, Dana, I would love to do that. I'm super available for that. But instead, we call it boundaries. And when we put up a boundary, we put up a wall, which there are times that that's appropriate. But we put up this wall and then we get all nervous about saying no, versus I know what I'm available for, and I'm not available for certain things. And if something comes up with somebody, I address it right away. I don't just stuff it down, right? But you, I'll go, Dana, hey, I this isn't working for me. Can we talk about this just a little bit? Like what's happening with this? But I come in it not in a place of judgment. When I don't know who I am, I come at other people with judgment, and then that's things, right? So then it escalates conversations versus I know what I'm available for and what I'm not available for. I don't have to justify. So that then brings the confidence. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

I don't think I've ever heard it framed that way. So, follow-up question when someone's unclear internally, how does that impact the decisions they make inside their business? Like, do you see people just over consuming information because they don't trust their own direction?

SPEAKER_00 13:42

Yeah, I see a lot of overconsumption. I see a huge reliance on chat GPT, right? Like, oh, let me go out and like say like all this stuff and have chat come up with my vision. Okay, well, I love chat. I use I use AI, I use marbleism, I use all sorts of AI tools to help me in my business. But at the end of the day, if you have to pull something and read it, you have not internalized it. You are not about it. So I always tell people take what chat gave you and then put it in your own words, right? Because I could have told you that I work with people and I help them scale and get profit and all of these things. But at the end of the day, I want people to make money because we live in a 3D world, but I want them to do it not at the expense of what's important to them, right? So I have to internalize that and put that into my own words. So I see a heavy reliance on those types of things. And sometimes it's because we're too afraid to make a stand because we've been told we're not good enough, you know. Because at the end of the day, Dana, as goofy as this sounds, we all want to be loved. We do, and we all had those moments of kickball where people were picking teams and we were scared to death we were gonna be the last person, or we had these experiences in school or with our parents that then ultimately knock us out of alignment with who we truly are, which is just love. Like I know that sounds a little woo-woo, but when you look at that and that alignment, and again, it goes back to really knowing who you are, and that's the biggest travesty that I see with people is that we've been taught to believe certain things. And to your point, like it can look really good on paper. It was funny. My marketing person was we were talking about something the other day, and she said, Yeah, well, you know, this person has so many followers and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, I don't care, like money, right? Like, and I know that like you're doing Pinterest and stuff, but like, are they making money? Are they showing how they're making an impact in the world? Because if not, then I'm not gonna look at best practices from that person, yeah. Right. Like, I also want to see some proof, and what I find is that people that don't have the confidence, like, I don't have any problem telling people that in 18 months I went from 38,000 to multiple six figures, and that I continue to grow my business and I'm approaching seven figures. I don't have any problem sharing that because I know that what I'm doing is an integrity and I'm bringing more life to people. Like we have to have that kind of belief about it. And so many people just don't know who they are. When I ask people, as a matter of fact, I was at a conference this weekend, my one of my coaches that I've had in the past puts on this conference um called Lead in the Feminine. And I was talking to someone, and I'm like, you know, so I'll act like I was talking to you. I'm like, you know, at the end of the day, Dana, who are you? And so many times we struggle to answer that question because of all the hats, right? Because of all the responsibilities that we have, versus at the end of the day, if all that was taken away, who are you? And if that's not aligning, if you don't know who you are, and that's where a lot of that dichotomy of tension, that rub comes for people in business. But at the end of the day, if you don't feel like you really know who you are, and so you want growth, you want to scale, maybe you don't. Maybe there's a different way to go about making the money that you want, maybe there's a different way of going about getting what you want, but you have to figure out who you are in the meantime. Because I've also seen people where they go after that, they say, Oh, AI says I should go do this. They're out of alignment, they're unhappy. I had that happen to me. You know, that my marketing person and I can dream big, right? And we're dreaming, and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna create all these women's masterminds because I run a women's mastermind. And the sole purpose of it is I hear too many people say being a CEO or founder of my business is lonely. And I think that's a choice, right? Because there are groups you can get involved in to not have that loneliness feeling and surround yourself with high vibrational people. So we're like, yeah, we're gonna like rent out an entire hotel and we're gonna have 20 masterminds going with 20 women in them, and my nine coaches that I have will each have like women in the and they'll run a mastermind, and then I'll be on the front the big stage and do all this stuff. Well, you know, like coming to a halt because who's the salesperson for all of those people? Me, right? And so then I'm I'm in the hustle and I'm doing the thing, and I'm like, wait a minute, I got out of corporate America for a reason. Why am I trying to build a corporation?

SPEAKER_01 18:06

That is very true. I feel like for me, I had that honestly today, and one of the many things I told you about before we started recording. So I was supposed to do an Instagram live from my account, and the algorithm has changed, and this is how much I don't use Instagram. I don't have a thousand followers on Instagram, and that's not a metric or thing that I chase is oh, I need all these followers. No, I want to help the people that you know are ready for my type of help with the Pinterest Lit organic marketing and and all the things that goes into it. And I found out at the time I was supposed to do it, I don't have a thousand followers, and according to their new community standards, I can't go live. Which means the person who is supposed to go live with me could not get on it with me. So I have we had to message her real quick, and she does have a thousand followers. So I went live, she went live and invited me on, so we still got to get the thing done. But the universe or the algorithmic universe is trying to tell me that I am not good enough or worthy enough to go live. So probably three years ago, that would have hurt my feelings.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

Yeah, and Dina, that is so like indicative of our culture right now is that chasing the next thing, right? Like, find your lane of genius, know what you do, and do that with confidence because the world is an abundant place.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

So that is a great like identity shift question that I want to lead into is so what actually helps someone move from feeling disconnected to feeling that groundedness and who they are?

SPEAKER_00 19:43

Yeah, some of it is defining it and having someone witness for them, right? Like one of the great things that happens in some of the group programs that I do, and even when someone works with me as a private client, I have a group call. Because when you're witnessed, when you say something out loud and you're witnessed, it is extremely powerful. So that's one piece of it. When you look at kind of going forward in your business, I think that's the biggest piece. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

My follow-up to that was gonna be are there moments where people realize they've outgrown their current identity or like step into who they're supposed to be. And I know for me personally, that's where I finally I think have been getting clear and the confidence to step into owning the space I'm in because for the longest time I try to make virtual assisting and business management be the thing that I do in my business for other people. I hate being in my inbox, I hate being in other people's inbox. I don't know how to stop it per se. But I love diving into the data of search intent, buyer intent, and how I can magically like weave that into the stories and services that my clients provide. It's very interesting. Like I said, I could geek out on it all day long. That's why we started the podcast. But I still hesitated to who when someone asked, Who am I, you know, that media elevator pitch, oh, I just do social media. Oh, I just do organic marking. I had to really learn and reciprocate, like listen to the people in my spaces, the masterminds and things, where when I stopped trying to be perfect in the delivery and just shared the raw, unedited, this is what I do and this is what I get excited about. People were coming up to me and saying, I'm gonna use what you said because it's gonna make me sound smarter to my clients. What? That's the best compliment I could ever get in my entire life. And I kept noticing those moments where I just leaned into who I was instead of trying to be perfect. And I was outgrowing that identity of trying to be like a desperate housewife of perfection and into really who I am, and it's starting to attract the right people. So I don't Have a thousand followers, but I do have a very engaged audience, small but mighty.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Yeah. And you know what, Dana? That's what I was talking about before when I said I don't care if they have like a thousand followers because I want I want depth, right? And the big thing there too is I do this meditation actually in a free workshop that I offer called the embodied CEO, and I offer it usually like once a month, once every six weeks or so. And I do a meditation where I'm not going to give it away, but where we do something where we embody because part of it's the body, too, and understanding what it feels like to be that woman that's up leveled and grown, right? And outgrowing identity. I say be it till you become it. Don't fake it till you make it, because that's not authentic. But be it until you become it. That's where they say, you know, like write down the things that as if they've already happened, and that's in like old writings. Because what happens is you start to make decisions from that place. You start to embody that energy and act as that woman versus the woman that your old identity was. And sometimes our nervous system has to catch up, right? There's a lot of things happening in the world today, and there's a lot of fear out there. And so our all of our nervous systems, things that we normally did to like gain more energy, are now just bringing us back to neutral. So in some cases, if we find ourselves going, wait, I still identify as this, but I want to be here, find a support system. Like be that person that's over here and that is up leveled. But I'm the first one to say, when I start to up level, I'm calling my counselor. Can I come in and chat with you? Because I know I'm gonna go into squirrel brain, right? Like I know how my system works. So I have that support system and I'm not afraid to use it. You know, so many times we get on islands on our own and think we have to do it all on our own. And that is just simply false.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

I have said that time and time again in many facets, not just business and personal with like friends who have kids and they're like, they're single parenting it up. And I'm like, we are not designed to do it alone. That's why communities exist to help it takes a village to raise children, all of that. And so that's actually is a great right place to start with, you know, call the counselor, call someone, talk to someone so you don't squirrel grain. But if someone is listening right now and realizes they've been operating out of misalignment, where do you recommend they start in addition to calling someone, but like to like ground themselves?

SPEAKER_00 24:29

Yeah, so two things. One is that I recommend looking at who you're hanging out with, right? And I people get a little squirrely when I say this, and I'm not saying cut off relationships, but if you find that you're out of alignment with something in your business, and I'm gonna use relationships as an example, right? Because where we show up in one place, we show up in other places. Oh, 100%. Yeah. So when I was younger, I hung out with a bunch of women, and everybody was like, Oh, my husband, I gotta train him, and he's just not doing anything right, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, then all of a sudden I'm starting to look and go, Oh, yeah, I need to train my husband. Oh, yeah, right. And we live in a complaint culture. So then I start complaining about my husband, and what we focus on gets bigger versus focusing on what I'm grateful for in that relationship and wanting that to increase, right? So really pay attention to who you're hanging out with. I love to be in rooms, and this, I don't mean this to sound kind of as howdy as this might sound, but I love to hang talking in rooms where I'm not the smartest person in the room.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

Yeah. I have said that in my 20s. I was like, I love talking to people who are smarter than me. There was a friend in full transparency. Thankfully, it was a lot of Facebook Messenger, but I would have to have a dictionary to appropriately respond. But I wasn't in like intimidated by that. I was like, oh my gosh, I just learned something new. I hope I said this correctly was my first thought. But then he would keep the conversation going. So obviously I was good. But I loved that level of, oh, I better step up my game. Absolutely. For me to do that. And I encourage my kids to do that. They ask a lot of questions and I make sure that they I am that parent. I go to their teachers and I'm like, sit them with people that look different and act different than them so that they can learn and like soak up something other than themselves.

SPEAKER_00 26:12

Yeah, you know, Dana, I learned that a long time ago back in my high school volleyball career, because our volleyball coaches would set up, we played teams that were one like class above us in high school in preparation for our conference, right? Because we were playing teams that were better than us, and she did that on purpose, even though we would lose like the first four games of our season, because then we became better players, and then we became the conference champs because we were playing then at a higher level than we would have if we just would have gone into conference play, right? So you see it in sports a lot too.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

Yes, I love that. And I think from me, I've seen a difference. If I'm starting to hang around people that are more negative Nazis, I will just use that term, instead of oh, I have a problem. How like try to look at it from a different perspective where they don't ask a lot of questions and they just make a bunch of assumptions. I do start to notice I'm just I have no energy to do anything today. I don't wanna I don't even want to be on my computer right now, like anything productive. I just want to lay around and kind of be lazy. And so it's not a strategy problem most of the time. It's it is that alignment problem. Your community can shape you. And I know you said not to cut ties in relationships, but sometimes you have to. And I you do. I was I'll I'll say it. Sometimes you have to because, like, for instance, I own my own business, I'm the only business owner in my family. And for the longest time I kept trying to explain to my dad what I do, and he finally was like, I don't understand. And I got tired of trying to explain it to him. So we just don't talk about it. My husband doesn't fully understand either, to be completely honest. Right. I still talk to my husband about my business because I get excited, but I have a community, a mastermind of partners who I meet every week and we share our struggles. I have cried in those rooms, I have shouted from the rooftops when I've landed an amazing partnership. Like they cheer me on, they question me, they push me to the next level, they inspire me, and like it has made a huge difference. And I've only been a part of it for a year. This podcast is the result of being in that room. It would have never happened.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Yeah, and you know what happens then, Dana? Because I'm the same. I have four women that we talk twice a month and we try to travel together two or three times a year. We went to Paris with our business coach and built this relationship. And so we mastermind our business. And the most important pieces that come with that is they help me see clarity. They assume that I've thought through things, and so they're only asking questions to help me think about things, but not in judgment. And they believe in me more than I believe in myself.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

That is helpful on certain seasons of life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

And I would say too, Dana, like I kind of cater, I kind of compartmentalize, right? Like I have my mastermind gals that I hang out with to learn about business. Then I have friends here locally that I go do things with. I have some friends that I don't spend as much time with because they say all the time, I'm so tired. I'm so tired. And I said that one time to a friend of mine who's also a body worker, and she's like, Are you tired or is that just a habit that you say you're tired? And I'm like, thank you for saying that because you are exactly right. Right? Like these are the people, like I'm single and I was wanting to start dating, and I was on a call with some women, and one of my mastermind sisters was on with me, and she called me afterward and she's like, Debbie, you say you're open to dating, but why are you hanging out with all these women that don't like men? Right? Like they bring things up to you that you just don't even see yourself. And so it's so important. So you're right, like, and that law of sacrifice happens. There's people, I love my dad. He's a good father, but to your point, like it sucks a lot of energy for me to have conversation with him. And the only time I talk to him is when I call him. So when I'm leveling up, like a big level up, I don't talk to him as frequently. Right? Like there's certain things, and that goes back to knowing who you are and what you're available for and what you're not available for.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

I love that. So, where can people connect with you if this conversation resonated and they want to take it to the next level?

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Yeah, Dana, thank you for asking. I would just go out to my website. I'm a firm believer that I have all my stuff. Now, it is going through a little bit of an update right now. So if you hit something and it says for a page not found, just know my marketing person is probably working on that page. But um, you can find every program that I offer, free or not free. You can find my podcast, you can find every like whatever I do, whether it's an in-person event, a virtual event, whatever. And so I just tell people go out to my website. It's called thelituplife.com, lit L I T. And you know, because I feel like I'm a chief igniter and so I want to help people ignite, whether that be that they just pick up something free or if they join a group or a private client. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

Well, if this episode made you think differently about how you're showing up, the next step isn't more content, which I will say in every episode. I don't care who's on this podcast, it is clarity. Um, the visibility audit does help you see exactly what your marketing is signaling and where it's misaligned. And then all of Debbie's information is going to be in the show notes. And I highly encourage you to check her out and to reach out to her directly. Until next time. Thanks for tuning in to this episode of the Unapologetic Pinner. I hope you found some valuable insights to refresh your Pinterest approach. If you enjoyed today's discussion, don't forget to subscribe and leave a review. Your feedback helps shape future episodes for future listeners. For more tips, follow me on Instagram at the Unapologetic Pinner and check out my weekly newsletter for trending Pinterest searches. And as always, you can pin that.